International Points
Over recent weeks I am hearing from a lot of managers about international points and b internationals. Most of the comments come in relation to skill 5 players with 10-14 IPs. There seems to be a general consensus that players like this can be considered as future skill 6 players with a lot of certainty and many deals are being submitted under this assumption.
As a general point this is something I disagree with almost without exception – there are always exceptions! Sure a players on 14 IPs can get to 20 IPs and rise in skill through B International selection, but in reality this will take 2 full seasons even if they get selected for every B International. Some players may be lucky and get 6 games in a season, but how anyone can say this is likely is beyond me as every B side is even compared to another.
When you factor in the age increase for close to 2 seasons, the possibility of missing a game being pretty high through suspensions, injuries, poor form or just poor selection planning; it is a very risky strategy to accept a player like this will rise in skill through IPs.
Recently, I have rejected a number of deals where players such as this are included in a deal for a higher skill player. The justification that this skill 5 will go up seems to be the thinking behind the deal (many of you choose not to just the text comments section to help clarify your thinking on complex deals). When dealing risk is a factor, but you must have a good chance of coming out on top somehow – many deals are at best even over 2 seasons with one team relying on masses of luck just to get there.
While I do not want to discourage dealing, I do need make sure that deals are fair, with both sides able to get some sort of benefit which is tangible rather than fantasy.
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Thats seems logical thinking to me …. especially when said sk5 might get a lucky sk pt bump making them ineligible for B games for the stronger nations anyhow
I had a deal rejected – I was giving up my Skill 9 Def who I didn’t think played like a sk 9 in any case, with some pretty average ratings. I just never took to him since I took over the club. The deal for me was to break hi down into lots of lesser layers, both skill 6s and 5s on 15+ caps. To be fair, I cannot exactly remember the numbers involved, but my thinking was that I could do more trades in the future with more players to trade myself into a stronger position, that by keeping a sk 9 with a load of average other players.
I got rid of him in the end and will now use those players over the longer period to make the team better. I took over a below average side, tipped by many for relegation, and turned things around a little, with 10 Cruso players in the squad now (if they are to be classed as decent) and a number of skill 5′s and 6′s with potential. I always said that the team with be built over time, which then allows me to feel that it is because of what I did not what I took over. I had also worked out that skill 6′s have the most chance in the game of getting internation MoM because I’ve looked at it all and they do. My sk 9 never had a chance of this, statistically.
I’d rather be allowed to do the deals I want and I did put some rationale in the box – I am really thinking over the longer term and by having more players that are half decent, it gives me more options for trading in the future. That’s my thinking and it served me ok in Einnek 4.
I can see why the Einnek FA will stop what they consider to be a one-sided deal, as some people may get ripped off.
I think Mark C covers my thoughts on this well.
I am happy to see deals being rejected if Im honest. Ive said enough on the forum on the topic in the past. No matter how you dress it up long term, short term, 5s 6s caps etc if Rich knocks back a deal then someone is being ripped off. Its not fair on you or the opponents of the team who is gaining. You can still achieve a fair deal that gives you long term planning. It just means the other guy has to give more away for the high skill player. Rich just needs to back you up to get it. A player might not float your boat but he still has a value especially if a skill 8 or 9 and especially if mid 20s. You are going to get your fair share of skill points whether they are 5s, 6s, 7s etc. Good managers like the Stus and Rob filled their team with players on 10-15 caps so when they got their share of skill points they benefitted rather then getting a potw on a no cap 5 you just introduced. This is definitely the way to go if you have 5-10 high skill points in your team. Off at a tangent here but my point is if you have had a deal knocked back and you are dealing with a good side and you are losing a skill point in the deal then Rich is doing you a favour when he rejects it. These guys will pay top dollar for your guy, even if he is out of form. Sorry for any egg sucking…