Comments on: Morale Discussions http://www.einnek.co.uk/2009/12/morale-discussions/ Einnek Football : Online Soccer Management Tue, 18 May 2010 13:18:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Rich http://www.einnek.co.uk/2009/12/morale-discussions/comment-page-1/#comment-49 Rich Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:20:53 +0000 http://www.einnek.co.uk/?p=263#comment-49 I like the basic idea of what Richard has suggested as seems to cover most parts of the game and would like to see morale paying a bigger part in the game especially with a run of good or bad results as this maybe could encourage the managers who dont deal much to realise they need to make a few signings to change their luck as otherwise thay can just increase a players wages and get it back up that way which seems a unlikely way of increasing team morale! I like the basic idea of what Richard has suggested as seems to cover most parts of the game and would like to see morale paying a bigger part in the game especially with a run of good or bad results as this maybe could encourage the managers who dont deal much to realise they need to make a few signings to change their luck as otherwise thay can just increase a players wages and get it back up that way which seems a unlikely way of increasing team morale!

]]> By: Mark Corder http://www.einnek.co.uk/2009/12/morale-discussions/comment-page-1/#comment-48 Mark Corder Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:34:39 +0000 http://www.einnek.co.uk/?p=263#comment-48 The suggestion proposed by Rich and Kennie look good to make a positive contribution to the morale. Where I see real value in morale going up or down as players are bought and sold, is not necessarily in the skill of those players, but perhaps, we could get a hint of their hidden talents. Lets say you trade a skill 5 Def for a skill 5 attacker because you need an attacker. Lets also say that both players are releatively unknown with no IPs or previous history. But, one of them is a star of the future and the other is a bit of a duffer - there must be hidden values to represent this fact to explain why some players of the same skill level perform differently. If you buy a great player and sell a duffer, let it effect morale. How you could transfer that to real life is that players in squads can see the real potential of their team/squad mates based on what they do on the training ground etc - they will know who is a star in the making and who is good for cleaning boots. Could give us a hint of what players are worth holding onto, rather than seeing a load of skill 5's and wondering which ones are going to be hits, rather than just who'se name we like. For the manager, you do a simple trade and see morale go up possibly as a result, you might thing that the unkown guy you bought may just be something for the future as opposed to just being any old skill 5 to sit in the squad ready for your next big deal. Just a thought. The suggestion proposed by Rich and Kennie look good to make a positive contribution to the morale.

Where I see real value in morale going up or down as players are bought and sold, is not necessarily in the skill of those players, but perhaps, we could get a hint of their hidden talents. Lets say you trade a skill 5 Def for a skill 5 attacker because you need an attacker. Lets also say that both players are releatively unknown with no IPs or previous history. But, one of them is a star of the future and the other is a bit of a duffer – there must be hidden values to represent this fact to explain why some players of the same skill level perform differently. If you buy a great player and sell a duffer, let it effect morale. How you could transfer that to real life is that players in squads can see the real potential of their team/squad mates based on what they do on the training ground etc – they will know who is a star in the making and who is good for cleaning boots. Could give us a hint of what players are worth holding onto, rather than seeing a load of skill 5′s and wondering which ones are going to be hits, rather than just who’se name we like.

For the manager, you do a simple trade and see morale go up possibly as a result, you might thing that the unkown guy you bought may just be something for the future as opposed to just being any old skill 5 to sit in the squad ready for your next big deal.

Just a thought.

]]> By: Rik http://www.einnek.co.uk/2009/12/morale-discussions/comment-page-1/#comment-47 Rik Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:37:51 +0000 http://www.einnek.co.uk/?p=263#comment-47 I like the proposed changes but I'm not too sure about the buying/selling players... Surely that just levels itself out? I like the proposed changes but I’m not too sure about the buying/selling players… Surely that just levels itself out?

]]> By: Kennie http://www.einnek.co.uk/2009/12/morale-discussions/comment-page-1/#comment-46 Kennie Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:14:12 +0000 http://www.einnek.co.uk/?p=263#comment-46 It seems that nobody is really bothering their arse about it Rich, I would suggest that you stop putting in the time to improve the game and forget about changing morale. Nobody cares. It seems that nobody is really bothering their arse about it Rich, I would suggest that you stop putting in the time to improve the game and forget about changing morale. Nobody cares.

]]> By: Mark http://www.einnek.co.uk/2009/12/morale-discussions/comment-page-1/#comment-44 Mark Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:05:13 +0000 http://www.einnek.co.uk/?p=263#comment-44 Not that i want to appear -ve but i think if you sign a good player then you get the benefit of him ... u don't need further morale bump ... and you must of got rid of a good player to sign him so does this not balance out ? ... or if you sign him for numerous players then this would balance out also ! ... is there a real need to change morale, as the apathy to this post suggests Not that i want to appear -ve but i think if you sign a good player then you get the benefit of him … u don’t need further morale bump … and you must of got rid of a good player to sign him so does this not balance out ? … or if you sign him for numerous players then this would balance out also ! … is there a real need to change morale, as the apathy to this post suggests

]]> By: Rob http://www.einnek.co.uk/2009/12/morale-discussions/comment-page-1/#comment-42 Rob Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:47:56 +0000 http://www.einnek.co.uk/?p=263#comment-42 I think a combination of something Richard said and the above would work. Everyone could have say 10 morale in a scale from 1 - 20, good things happening gives you an increase, bad things means it drops and if neither happens then it slowly moves back towards the norm of 10?????? I think a combination of something Richard said and the above would work. Everyone could have say 10 morale in a scale from 1 – 20, good things happening gives you an increase, bad things means it drops and if neither happens then it slowly moves back towards the norm of 10??????

]]> By: Kennie http://www.einnek.co.uk/2009/12/morale-discussions/comment-page-1/#comment-41 Kennie Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:52:19 +0000 http://www.einnek.co.uk/?p=263#comment-41 This is a reprint of an answer I left elsewhere that only The Corder spotted. It would take a wee bit of coding, but rather than start penalising for changes, the morale system could be completely overhauled so that the how a team plays each week, on top of the reult of the game, could affect the morale. A calculation could be made on the effect of squad changes with a built in random factor, so changes could have a positive or negative effect on how the team played. This isn’t a figure we would ever see, although it would possibly have either a positive or negative effect on the players ratings. The reason for this first step is that some new signings have a positive effect on a team and some a negative effect. The second stage is a calculation using the starting eleven’s ratings. I would suggest a 5 rating counts as -2 morale, as 6 rating could be -1 morale and a 9 rating + 2 morale. and a 10 rating +3 morale. Taking the Premier results a couple of weeks back: Winchmore v Bambino 4-4 Winchmore 0 mc Bambino +4 mc Olympic v Druids 2-1 Olympic +3mc Druids +1mc ELA v Veleno 3-2 ELA +1 Veleno -1mc Celtic Hearts v Prophets 1-1 Hearts +4 Prophets +1mc scv v Warmington 4-3 SVC +2mc Warmington -2mc Tormenta v Star 2-1 Tormenta +1mc Star -2mc These resultswork out well and with the intial calculation built in, could really make morale – and a player’s ratings, mean more than if he gets a 9 rating he has a chance to go up with a run of 9s. What do you think? This is a reprint of an answer I left elsewhere that only The Corder spotted. It would take a wee bit of coding, but rather than start penalising for changes, the morale system could be completely overhauled so that the how a team plays each week, on top of the reult of the game, could affect the morale.

A calculation could be made on the effect of squad changes with a built in random factor, so changes could have a positive or negative effect on how the team played. This isn’t a figure we would ever see, although it would possibly have either a positive or negative effect on the players ratings. The reason for this first step is that some new signings have a positive effect on a team and some a negative effect.

The second stage is a calculation using the starting eleven’s ratings.
I would suggest a 5 rating counts as -2 morale, as 6 rating could be -1 morale and a 9 rating + 2 morale. and a 10 rating +3 morale.

Taking the Premier results a couple of weeks back:

Winchmore v Bambino 4-4 Winchmore 0 mc Bambino +4 mc
Olympic v Druids 2-1 Olympic +3mc Druids +1mc
ELA v Veleno 3-2 ELA +1 Veleno -1mc
Celtic Hearts v Prophets 1-1 Hearts +4 Prophets +1mc
scv v Warmington 4-3 SVC +2mc Warmington -2mc
Tormenta v Star 2-1 Tormenta +1mc Star -2mc

These resultswork out well and with the intial calculation built in, could really make morale – and a player’s ratings, mean more than if he gets a 9 rating he has a chance to go up with a run of 9s.

What do you think?

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